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==Retirement==
==Retirement==
[[R&D]] no longer supports the kindred / tribal card type.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128535132558/is-there-a-chance-well-be-seeing-more-tribal|title=Is there a chance we'll be seeing more tribal eldrazi spells?|September 07, 2015}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/131816784738/i-understand-that-we-arent-likely-to-see-spells|title=What about allowing elemental to be both a creature and non-creature subtype?|October 24, 2015}}</ref> [[Mark Rosewater]] announced the death knell of tribal, when it wasn't used in ''[[Innistrad]]'' (which had a strong typal subtheme).<ref>{{DailyRef|feature/scary-stories-part-1-2011-09-19|Scary Stories, Part 1|[[Mark Rosewater]]|September 19, 2011}}</ref> He stated that tribal was problematic everywhere [[R&D]] used it because they couldn't go half in, which resulted in a lot of extra words for very little actual use.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/123625139468/im-a-fan-of-tribal-card-type-i-know-the-problem|title=I think it's just that Tribal doesn't fit in the way Innistrad used.|July 9, 2015}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/149685430358/why-did-tribal-stop-being-used|title=Why did Tribal stop being used?|August 30, 2016}}</ref> On the other hand, he noted that [[Typal|mechanically caring about creature types]] is still very much alive.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128751885373/are-you-guys-done-with-tribal-if-so-is-there-a|title=Are you guys done with Tribal?|September 09, 2015}}</ref>
[[R&D]] no longer supports the kindred / tribal card type.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128535132558/is-there-a-chance-well-be-seeing-more-tribal|title=Is there a chance we'll be seeing more tribal eldrazi spells?|September 07, 2015}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/131816784738/i-understand-that-we-arent-likely-to-see-spells|title=What about allowing elemental to be both a creature and non-creature subtype?|October 24, 2015}}</ref> [[Mark Rosewater]] announced the death knell of tribal, when it wasn't used in ''[[Innistrad]]'' (which had a strong tribal subtheme).<ref>{{DailyRef|feature/scary-stories-part-1-2011-09-19|Scary Stories, Part 1|[[Mark Rosewater]]|September 19, 2011}}</ref> He stated that tribal was problematic everywhere [[R&D]] used it because they couldn't go half in, which resulted in a lot of extra words for very little actual use.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/123625139468/im-a-fan-of-tribal-card-type-i-know-the-problem|title=I think it's just that Tribal doesn't fit in the way Innistrad used.|July 9, 2015}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/149685430358/why-did-tribal-stop-being-used|title=Why did Tribal stop being used?|August 30, 2016}}</ref> On the other hand, he noted that [[Typal|mechanically caring about creature types]] is still very much alive.<ref>{{EzTumblr|http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128751885373/are-you-guys-done-with-tribal-if-so-is-there-a|title=Are you guys done with Tribal?|September 09, 2015}}</ref>


Tribal was seen last in ''[[Rise of the Eldrazi]]'' as a relevant mechanic. It made a small reappearance on the [[test card]] <c>Form of the Mulldrifter</c>, in the ''[[Mystery Booster]]'' set, and another small reappearance on the card <c>Altar of the Goyf</c>, in the ''[[Modern Horizons 2]]'' set. Mark Rosewater then stated that special sets that can make use of retired mechanics can also make use of the kindred card type.<ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/651573748205584384/tribal-artifact-lhurgoyf-does-this-mean|title=TRIBAL Artifact - Lhurgoyf??? Does this mean Tribal could return in the future or just that MH2 is allowed to use retired mechanics?|May 18, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/651533555326943232/thank-you-mark-i-am-very-excited-for-a-tribal|title=Thank you Mark! I am very excited for a Tribal card :)|May 18, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/732994329063407617|title=Does the change from Tribal to Kindred improve the cardtype's chances at a return?|November 3, 2023}}</ref>
Tribal was seen last in ''[[Rise of the Eldrazi]]'' as a relevant mechanic. It made a small reappearance on the [[test card]] <c>Form of the Mulldrifter</c>, in the ''[[Mystery Booster]]'' set, and another small reappearance on the card <c>Altar of the Goyf</c>, in the ''[[Modern Horizons 2]]'' set. Mark Rosewater then stated that special sets that can make use of retired mechanics can also make use of the kindred card type.<ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/651573748205584384/tribal-artifact-lhurgoyf-does-this-mean|title=TRIBAL Artifact - Lhurgoyf??? Does this mean Tribal could return in the future or just that MH2 is allowed to use retired mechanics?|May 18, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/651533555326943232/thank-you-mark-i-am-very-excited-for-a-tribal|title=Thank you Mark! I am very excited for a Tribal card :)|May 18, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{EzTumblr|https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/732994329063407617|title=Does the change from Tribal to Kindred improve the cardtype's chances at a return?|November 3, 2023}}</ref>

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Kindred
Card Type
Subtype Creature type
Storm Scale 9 [1]
Statistics
57 cards
{C} 8.8% {W} 15.8% {U} 17.5% {B} 21.1% {R} 12.3% {G} 14% {artifact symbol} 10.5%
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type:"Kindred"
For tribal in a broader sense, see Typal.

Kindred is a card type first introduced as Tribal in Future Sight, and expanded upon in the Lorwyn block.[2][3][4][5][6] Creatures and kindreds/tribals share the same set of subtypes. Cards referring to specific creature types may also affect kindreds/tribals.

Kindred (in the form of Tribal) has been coupled with Instants, Sorceries, Enchantments and Artifacts.

Retirement

R&D no longer supports the kindred / tribal card type.[7][8] Mark Rosewater announced the death knell of tribal, when it wasn't used in Innistrad (which had a strong tribal subtheme).[9] He stated that tribal was problematic everywhere R&D used it because they couldn't go half in, which resulted in a lot of extra words for very little actual use.[10][11] On the other hand, he noted that mechanically caring about creature types is still very much alive.[12]

Tribal was seen last in Rise of the Eldrazi as a relevant mechanic. It made a small reappearance on the test card Form of the Mulldrifter, in the Mystery Booster set, and another small reappearance on the card Altar of the Goyf, in the Modern Horizons 2 set. Mark Rosewater then stated that special sets that can make use of retired mechanics can also make use of the kindred card type.[13][14][15]

Change from Tribal to Kindred

Wizards of the Coast confirmed during Wilds of Eldraine previews that the company was moving away from the use of "tribal" for cultural reasons.[16][17] "Typal" is a replacement for internal R&D slang that means “mechanically cares about creature type(s)”. However, it was stated that the word “typal” would never appear on cards, and that it was not a replacement for the card type Tribal.[18][19]

Later that year, R&D reviewed its stance towards the Tribal card type as part of the digital release of Khans of Tarkir on Magic: The Gathering Arena.[20] The decision was made to rename the type to "Kindred," with the terminology change scheduled for a future Oracle update.[21] For a while, two cards on Arena retained the card type: Bitterblossom and Altar of the Goyf. The first new card to feature the printed word "Kindred" appeared in Modern Horizons 3. This also made it an official change in Oracle and the Comprehensive Rules for older cards.[22]

The name change allows R&D to do the occasional one-off design in the appropriate product that they might not have done before.[23]

Rules

From the glossary of the Comprehensive Rules (June 7, 2024—Modern Horizons 3)

Tribal (Obsolete)
An obsolete card type that has been renamed. See rule 308, “Kindreds.”

Lua error in Module:CR at line 415: Index not found! Tribals.

Subtypes

The subtype for kindreds is called creature type and shared with creatures.

Rulings

  • Kindred is not a permanent type. However, a kindred card can become a permanent if another of its types allows it to do so.
  • Many Lorwyn cards refer to specific creature types. These cards may affect kindreds, depending on what they say and what they do. For example, using "Goblin" as our creature type:
    • If a card uses "Goblin" as a noun (that is, without following it with a word like "card" or "spell"), it actually means "Goblin permanent." It can affect any Goblin permanent in play, including a Goblin kindred.
    • If a card says just "Goblin creature," it can affect only a Goblin creature in play. It can't affect a kindred.
    • If a card says "Goblin card," it can affect any Goblin card not in play, including a Goblin kindred card.
  • If a spell asks whether you control a Goblin, it's asking whether you control a Goblin permanent. It won't count Goblin spells you control (including itself).
  • If a card with multiple types has one or more subtypes, each subtype is correlated to its appropriate type.
  • When one or more of a permanent's subtypes changes, the new subtype(s) replace any existing subtypes from the appropriate set (creature types, land types, artifact types, enchantment types, spell types, or planeswalker types). It won't affect the subtypes from any other set, and it won't affect the permanent's types.
  • If a permanent ceases to be one of its types, the subtypes correlated with that type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a type the permanent currently has; otherwise, they are also removed for the entire time the permanent's type is removed.
  • The Onslaught card Artificial Evolution can change the creature types of a kindred.
  • Many older cards have received errata in the Oracle card database to work sensibly with kindreds. For example, instant and sorcery cards can't come into play. If an older card was printed with a wording that allowed you to put a Goblin card into play, it now specifies that you can put a Goblin permanent card into play.

Trivia

A considered indicator for Elf kindred
  • Kindred, under its original name "Tribal," was featured as rules card 5 of 5 in the Lorwyn set.
  • There are 55 kindred cards, featuring seventeen creature types (Eldrazi, Elemental, Elf, Faerie, Giant, Goblin, Kithkin, Lhurgoyf, Merfolk, Rebel, Rogue, Shaman, Shapeshifter, Soldier, Treefolk, Warrior, and Wizard).
  • When kindred was being used regularly, R&D went from saying “Goblin” to “Goblin creature card” for non-kindred effects. After they stopped regularly making Kindred cards they switched the template back as it’s less wordy.[24]
  • Early on, there was some exploration into other versions of the Kindred card type that used Kindred indicators in the type line of a card.[25]
  • The upcoming name change from Tribal to Kindred (and ongoing confusion) was reflected in two card names for Lost Caverns Commander: Kindred Boon and Kindred Discovery, which were essentially typal cards.

References

  1. Mark Rosewater (November 5, 2023). "Where is kindred on the storm scale...". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  2. Mark Rosewater (October 1, 2007). "And the Rest". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  3. Mark Rosewater (October 8, 2007). "Before and After". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  4. Devin Low (September 28, 2007). "Mixed Doubles: Two Types and Two Keywords". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  5. Devin Low (October 12, 2007). "Surprising Subtypes". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  6. Doug Beyer (October 10, 2007). "The Flavor of Tribals". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  7. Mark Rosewater (September 07, 2015). "Is there a chance we'll be seeing more tribal eldrazi spells?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  8. Mark Rosewater (October 24, 2015). "What about allowing elemental to be both a creature and non-creature subtype?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  9. Mark Rosewater (September 19, 2011). "Scary Stories, Part 1". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  10. Mark Rosewater (July 9, 2015). "I think it's just that Tribal doesn't fit in the way Innistrad used.". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  11. Mark Rosewater (August 30, 2016). "Why did Tribal stop being used?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  12. Mark Rosewater (September 09, 2015). "Are you guys done with Tribal?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  13. Mark Rosewater (May 18, 2021). "TRIBAL Artifact - Lhurgoyf??? Does this mean Tribal could return in the future or just that MH2 is allowed to use retired mechanics?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  14. Mark Rosewater (May 18, 2021). "Thank you Mark! I am very excited for a Tribal card :)". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  15. Mark Rosewater (November 3, 2023). "Does the change from Tribal to Kindred improve the cardtype's chances at a return?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  16. Blake Rasmussen (August 15, 2023). "Wilds of Eldraine Debut Aftershow (Video)". Magic: The Gathering. YouTube.
  17. Mark Rosewater (June 5, 2023). "Just for clarification - is "typal" the same thing as what's commonly referred to amongst players as "tribal"?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  18. Mark Rosewater (August 21, 2023). "One thing that has bothered many players in the Portuguese language is the new term "typal".". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  19. Mark Rosewater (September 10, 2023). "Since Wizards will no longer use the term tribal, and instead use typal, we will be seeing Typal instant/sorceries again?". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  20. Wizards of the Coast (November 3, 2023). "Card Updates Coming with Khans of Tarkir on MTG Arena". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  21. Mark Rosewater (March 28, 2024). "I noticed in the comprehensive rules that the card type “kindred” is still listed as being called “tribal”.". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  22. Matt Tabak (May 21, 2024). "Modern Horizons 3 Mechanics". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  23. Mark Rosewater (November 20, 2023). "Odds & Ends: 2023, Part 1". magicthegathering.com. Wizards of the Coast.
  24. Mark Rosewater (October 30, 2021). "Hi mark id like to ask what guides a card saying...". Blogatog. Tumblr.
  25. Aaron Forsythe (December 10, 2021). "This was some exploration into other versions of the Tribal card type from Lorwyn days". Twitter.