Talk:Token/Without paper printing

Edge Cases & Exceptions

Went over these a bit on Discord but posting here so we can discuss further. Here are the edge cases I can think of that I would like others' opinions on:

1. Copies: There are hundreds of cards that create copies of themselves or other cards, and outside of set mechanics (e.g. Offspring or Eternalize), they generally don't receive tokens. The expectation is that the player will just use Copy tokens. I think adding these would gum up the article and not add much information.
2. Copies with additional characteristics: About 100 of those copy cards create tokens that have specified additional characteristics. While these are different from standard copies, I'm not sure they need to be noted either as I'm not sure Wizards has ever printed any of these as tokens.
3. Card copies: Some cards create copies of cards as tokens, and Garth One-Eye even casts those copies. These function very similarly to standard copies, and create tokens with mana costs. I don't think they need to be included. That said, these tokens have been printed in the past.
4. Conjured cards: A few paper cards use the previously-digital-only mechanic Conjure. Should these be included? I lean no for the same reasons stated above.
5. Copies that aren't copies: Some tokens approximate copies, including names, but don't actually copy (and don't have mana costs). Many of these have received tokens. I think they should be included.
6. Non-copy tokens with selected characteristics: This one feels like a bit of a gray area. I noted in the article that cards like Riptide Replicator or Volrath's Laboratory aren't listed, as they potentially have thousands of different tokens they could create. But then Sarpadian Empires, Vol. VII is also the same type of token creator, but is listed because four out of five of its tokens exist. Should the former cards be included, or is there a cutoff in the number of options? Is Sarpadian Empires considered more like an Outlaws' Merriment that selects between tokens rather than the first two that select characteristics? It's hard for me to precisely dictate what the rule here should be.
7. Errataed tokens: Some cards, such as those affected by creature type updates, have been errataed and therefore, while they did have printed tokens, those tokens are no longer accurate. Should they be included? I lean yes, as those tokens may not exactly work anymore.
8. Tokens with no P/T: Unglued printed tokens with no P/T. Do they count as printed tokens?
9. Playtest cards & Heroes of the Realm: Are these included? I lean yes as they are printed cards, but they are also unlikely to ever get tokens, as these sets simply don't have tokens.
10. Unknown event cards: A handful of Unknown Event cards create tokens (for whatever reason, this search doesn't seem to work). I'm unsure on these, as they are very similar to MB Playtest cards, but they haven't actually been printed in a product, will almost certainly never get an actual token, and new ones are made pretty often.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RudleyDudley (talk • contribs).

Bullets 1 and 2, do not list. With the set mechanic exception you noted, a list containing these would be hundreds of cards long, which seems of dubious value. The article for vigilance doesn't list every card with the mechanic, and I would argue against anyone trying to add such. What makes so many items notable? What does constructing that list add to the wiki that isn't gained by simply linking a Scryfall search? Card copies: seems like it could be a separate and interesting list, but not here—I don't think there's any expectation that there would be tokens for these things (although a token Lotus would be hilarious). Conjured: I don't see this in the linked search? Just a card with an ability word that coincidentally uses the word "conjure". Approximate copies: If a significant number of these already have tokens, yes, include the rest in this list. Non-copy tokens: Do not list, the existing token matches for Sarpadian are coincidental; they were printed to match other cards. Errata: Might be worth splitting out separately from the main table. The rest: Nah. --Corveroth (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)