Talk:Ravnica

Last seen Magic Origins? We saw guildgates in MM17, and Ravnica bouncelands in IcoMasters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 45.30.30.23 (talk • contribs).

We are talking lore wise, not reprints --Hunter (talk) 07:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

"As a plane, Ravnica was affected by the Rift Crisis on Nexus of the Multiverse, Dominaria. As a consequence, it became isolated from the rest of the Multiverse, in a seal similar to the Shard of the Twelve Worlds, but with Ravnica as the only plane." => When? --90.65.15.133 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I want to add a new section, where do you think it should go?

I want to add a new section called "Expansions visiting this plane" which would list every magic the gathering expansion where this plane was visited. This will make it easier for people who want to look up associated cards on Gatherer, by giving them a list of all expansions to add to their seach, if they want to filter for "cards from Ravnica." If anyone from Wizard's is reading this, a "Plane" field for gatherer that lets you look for all cards from that plane, would be a great addition. Until then, manually typing in each expansion is the only way to filter for them.

Where do people think it should go in the article? Should it go in the info block in the corner or in the main body. And if it should go in the main body, what section should it go before/after?

The list of all expansions where Ravnica is visited is: Ravnica: City of Guilds, Guildpact, Dissension, Duel Decks: Izzet vs. Golgari, Return to Ravnica, Gatecrash, Dragon’s Maze, Guilds of Ravnica, Guilds of Ravnica Mythic Edition, War of the Spark Mythic Edition, Guild Kit: Azorius, Guild Kit: Boros, Guild Kit: Dimir, Guild Kit: Golgari, Guild Kit: Gruul, Guild Kit: Izzet, Guild Kit: Orzhov, Guild Kit: Rakdos, Guild Kit: Selesnya, Guild Kit: Simic, Ravnica Allegiance, Ravnica Allegiance Mythic Edition, War of the Spark —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warriormon87 (talk • contribs).

I'm not against the idea, but it will need a modification to the Plane Infobox Template for it to be added. Also, as with all things Scryfall offers a much more robust search than Gatherer, and you can get pretty close to the search you want using the new art tags, e.g. art:ravnica. Hope that helps! DayoftheNinja (talk) 04:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

: That does help, DayoftheNinja. Warriormon87 (talk) 18:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

This information actually allready exists (although less complete) in the Ravinca infobox (below the page). You can expand that. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 05:12, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

: Hunterofsalvation, so what you are saying is we just need to add an extra row in the table down there for the non-block Ravnica sets? What do people think, is this probably the best way to do it? It is unfortunate that the information is not immediately apparent that it exists down there. Warriormon87 (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

If I didn't know from your comment what to look for, I never would have guessed to expand the tab that is just labeled "Ravnica" to find a list of all sets featuring Ravnica. Maybe the tab should have a different name like "Ravnica Sets and Publications." Although that doesn't cover, characters affiliations, guilds and planeswalkers. Maybe, they shouldn't all be in the same expansion block? Since it has three types of things listed there: "sets," "stories published in some form," and "Aaffiliations & characters." Warriormon87 (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The sausage standard

The previous editor who got a ban for adding this to the Sixth district did not make the idea up wholesale, LoadingReadyRun's Ravnica D&D campaign aired in 2019 has this plotline. It's not canon in any way, but I would say it is not vandalism and an earnest attempt to contribute. I myself considered asking if it should be put in like the Boom comics as it was sponsored by WOTC, but there's no character or plot overlap with the main continuity. 218.102.134.75 08:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, thank you for explaining this. An unban is in order Hunterofsalvation (talk) 08:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Zigs and Zidos

The currency section has been updated to change zigs and zidos from being considered alternatives or misspellings of zibs and zinos to separate coinage equaling a half zib and ten zibs, respectively. The only issue is, I can't see that anywhere in the sources cited. Zigs only cites "Clans & Legions," which doesn't mention zibs, zinos, or zidos, so I don't see how they could have a relative valuation. The line on test subject pay is unsourced but appears to come from the story "Testing Dark Waters," in which I also don't see any relative measurements. Zidos, on the other hand, come from the first Ravnica novel, and again there is no mention of zigs or zinos, so the only relative measure could be to zibs, but in this case I see a line directly stating that "one hundredth of a zido" is equivalent to a zib, directly contradicting the new edits. If I'm missing any sources or misinterpreting something please add them or point it out, but otherwise I believe these edits should be reverted. RudleyDudley (talk) 04:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I count a few more refs than that.

• In the cited chapter of the Ravnica novel (2005), I see a use of "a half-zib coin" to buy a single drink, someone insisting that they'll get their "zib's worth", and another person paying a street vendor "two zidos and not a zib more". A conversation much further into the book, p105-106, makes explicit that a zib is 1/100 of a zido.
• Not referenced in the article, but the next two novels, Guildpact and Dissension, both name a large coin "zino".
• In the D&D sourcebook (2018), page 9 has a currency chart, which uses zibs and zinos. The "zino" in the D&D sourcebook explicitly has the same valuation as the "zido" in the novel, but the sourcebook uses "zino" throughout.
• In Clans & Legions (2018), there are two references to "zigs" as small coinage, and none of the other terms appear.
• In Testing the Dark Waters (2018), we get "four hundred zinos" as the cost of some broken lab equipment, and "two hundred zigs" as an individual's one-time pay.

I think the sourcebook is probably the most authoritative reference, due to both its scale and consistency, and due to the extra editorial attention it would have attracted through the traditional printing process. That said, the use of "zigs" in two short stories published the same year is evidence that that word is also in use, and possibly another name for a zib (compare "cent" and "penny" in US currency). Unless it turns up in another source, I would relegate "zido" to a footnote. Corveroth (talk) 06:12, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry Corv, didn't mean to confuse you, but I was specifically talking about these changes. I added the original currency chart a long time ago, and the sourcing on zibs and zinos is solid, my only question was what the sourcing was for the zigs/zidos valuation in the new edits. It seems neither of us was able to find one, so I'm going to revert. RudleyDudley (talk) 02:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Rather than a simple revert, I'd like to touch up the phrasing, if you aren't looking to do so yourself. Corveroth (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm plucking out a few sentences from the "Economy" section. The bit about "slug coins" wasn't actually reflected in its citation, and the sentence about the Dimir initiation ceremony might involve a coin, but it doesn't actually have anything to do with the economy as such. What was your motive for flattening the chart from the sourcebook? The original layout made for a clearer comparison between the minting practices of the guilds, and suggests something about their positions in the economy. Corveroth (talk) 03:27, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It's been years since I added the table, so if I had a reason I couldn't say, but I'd say you're free to edit as you like. I just wanted to be sure what was added was sourced. RudleyDudley (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see my mistake, the "small coin worth 1/100th of a zido" is later named as a zib on the same page. I do want to point out though that the D&D sourcebook is *not* authoritative. It synthesizes existing information, and then simplifies both the currency system and the calendar to make it easier for D&D players. The sourcebook bases every fact about currency from an already-established point from Herndon or a web story, from names to values to mint, but leaves out things that would complicate D&D like half-zibs. I failed to take note of where I found the "wooden zib" and "tin zino" slug references, but I remember the wooden zib one was a jab at the Gruul. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I am going to restore the layout I had applied to the table in my edits, though. I feel it was better organized than the old layout, separating denomination, name, physical attributes, and mint so they are consistent throughout the table. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

If you do locate the "wooden zib" source, I would want to verify whether wooden coins are actually significant economically on Ravnica, or whether that phrase was included in the story merely as an echo of the US adage about avoiding wooden nickels. Corveroth (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Coin metaphors I found:

• a zib a dozen:

• "One ogre zib a dozen, but *midget* ogre..." - Nyausz, Ravnica (Herndon)

• give two zibs:

• "I've known a few ledev, and I've never met one who would give two zibs about his own safety if one of the Selesnya Conclave was in danger." - Agrus Kos, Ravnica (Herndon)
• "In case you hadn't asked, Mr. Kos, I don't give two zibs for the Guildpact." - Momir Vig, Dissension

• a run for one's zinos:

• "These things could, forgive my impertinence, give the Great Dragon a run for his zinos." - Crixizix, Ravnica (Herndon)

• not give a wooden zib:

• "Just as he was counting on the local constabulary, such as they were, to respond with midnight lethargy to a lone man walking into the Cauldron, he had done enough research into the area to learn that the Gruul didn't give a wooden zib what you did in the flats." - Dissension

• cost a pretty zib:

• "The magical markings were relatively new features on his aging body and had cost him a pretty zib." - Dissension

• not a zib to one's name:

• "Do you even have a zib to your name?" - Teysa Karlov, Dissension

• pay in shiny zinos:

• There were also a few non-Orzhov passengers who had paid ridiculously large sums to the Karlov coffers for one of the only safe ways into Utvara, including a female goblin that had paid in shiny zinos and refused to name any destination but 'the Utvara region.'" - Guildpact

• every zib one spends come back to one a golden zino

• "Every zib you spend on this gala will come back to you a golden zino, or you’re not the person who outmaneuvered me and seized the reins while my back was turned." - Kaya, Ghosts of Our Past

• one's two zinos:

• "Look, I know I’m not part of this strategy session, but I’m gonna throw in my two zinos all the same." - Dack Fayden, Ravnica (Weisman)

• zino for one's thoughts:

• "Zino for your thoughts." - Jace Beleren, Forsaken

• false as a tin zino:

• "When he turned away from the window, his smile was broad and as false as a tin zino." - Gathering Storm, chapter 5.

Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I read that as two acknowledgements of the possibility of false currency (wood and tin), but nothing we could use to actually talk about the economic impact or prevalence of such counterfeiting. I also count no references to either "zigs" or "zidos". Corveroth (talk) 19:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)