Talk:Edge

Ambiguity and Help

Unlike most Magic sets which have mysteries in plot here and there, for a setting that has more intricate detail than most sets in a long time (not saying that previous sets were bad, just that this set is exceedingly technical for the sake of the genre), there is a lot to be left interpreted about even the nature of the setting. The Planeswalker guide is told from Pinnacle's perspective, which Tezzeret himself recognizes as aggrandizing propaganda, with notations from Tezzeret who himself is highly biased in a more arrogant matter. The Edge is just sharing their interpretation of their world, and it is unclear whether The Edge is a big donut surrounding the multiverse like a ring on a finger or like an onion skin, provided that the former is the observations of Pinnacle's scientific consensus while the latter is described by Magic story podcasters.

The main story itself thus far has been told from an ambiguous and possibly untrustworthy narrator, breaking the fourth wall and the acknowledging the audience themselves in its choose-your-own-adventure style.

As such, as a forewarning, a lot more help is needed in this setting compared to others. There will be more mistakes made for this setting, so don't be shy to clear them up. That being said, this requires both openness and precision in communicating what is presumed versus what is observed, so feel free to clarify the degree of certainty we have in certain facts. As someone who worked in research and loves mythos and stories of the unexplainable, both science and magic is mystery, so remember to embrace uncertainty as a friend! --Nera Buvelle (talk) 12:08, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

In the preview video, Roy Graham says that the Edge is "the Edge of known creation", implying it is part of known creation (3:53, youtu.be links are blocked), and "more than just another Magic plane" (4:39). I think we can interpret both those sentences as the Edge being technically a plane. Even with the orange metaphor used by the panelists: if the Multiverse is an orange and the Edge is the peel, then the Edge is still part of the orange. --Gizmo94450 (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you justify the jump from "more than just another Magic plane" to "technically a plane". The cosmology diagrams I've seen suggest that it's a broad region more akin to the Blind Eternities, rather than an isolated pocket universe anywhere within the expanse of all-that-is. There was some talk in Discord yesterday about updating {{Infobox plane}} to support non-planar locations. Corveroth (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

My reasoning is the following: to be "more than" a thing, you have to be that thing in the first place, and then have additional properties. If not, you are not "more than" the thing, you are just a different thing. --Gizmo94450 (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

That's a common construction and a reasonable interpretation, but I think an alternative is more likely here. Every past setting for Magic is a plane. Our only existing model for something other than a plane is the Blind Eternities, which are a not-a-place. We're accustomed to interpreting anything other than the Eternities as a plane, and I read this quote as describing a concept of something roughly plane-like (in that it's a livable, physical place adjacent to the Blind Eternities), but categorically "bigger". Corveroth (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

It's literally called the Annular Universe, but I don't know what that means either. Is it a separate universe like the Un-iverse or the Planor Chaos Universe, or is it still a part of the Multiverse? It is said to be outside the Multiverse / the Blind Eternities / the Weft, but at the same time they can access the Weft when they space travel ... Also, they are talking about different lameallae, which I understand to be different realities. Maybe the Edge is the pocket plane, instead of what the Pinnacle think themselves? --Hunter (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

"Pinnacle, using the full capabilities of its member states, has determined with some confidence that the shape of the global universe—all creation outside of what is immediately able to be observed—is ring-like and toroid. In a word, annular." Annular, ring-like, and toroid are roughly equivalent. Toroid is the most precise of the three: the 'global universe' (which I take to be the entirety of Magic's setting) is shaped like a doughnut. Corveroth (talk) 21:23, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Lamella is a sciencey word for a layer, with the implication that several are stacked together. "FTL travel necessitates piercing the Chaos Wall, suggesting on its own that there must be some form of "space" or other lamellae of creation behind that otherwise hard-reality barrier." To go FTL relative to the Edge, they're descending to a deeper layer where they can cross a shorter arc length before popping back out to the surface, with the eternity pillars as places where they can change "altitude" for free. Corveroth (talk) 21:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)