Talk:New Phyrexia's Invasion of the Multiverse

I feel like the compleated PW casualties should belong in the "compleated and later killed" section instead of the "phyrexian" section. Also Nahiri belongs to the "unspecified" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gizmo94450 (talk • contribs).

What is included in the "Invasion?"

I started this discussion on the Discord but thought I should continue it here for those that don't use it. Partially for the article as a whole but most directly for the Casualties section: When did New Phyrexia's Invasion of the Multiverse start? If it only includes the Invasion proper, for example, Tamiyo should count as a Phyrexian death and Tibalt shouldn't even be mentioned. If it includes Phyrexian actions back to Kaldheim, as the article implies and Tamiyo's inclusion would suggest, there are many names that arguably should be added. I could see arguments for both as well as various points in between, although I lean toward the latter (Kaldheim-onward) definition. These characters' entries are all affected by exactly when we define this article's period:

• Tamiyo (compleated in NEO, died in MOM)
• Tibalt (compleated between KHM and ONE, died in ONE)
• Geth, Jace, Nahiri, & Vraska (compleated in ONE, fate unknown)
• Aron Capashen & Stenn (compleated and died in DMU)
• Elas il-Kor, Vohar, & the Weatherlight (compleated in DMU, fate unknown)
• Jaya & Ertai (died in DMU)
• Slobad & Ria Ivor (compleated between NPH and ONE, fate unknown)
• Venser (corpse compleated between NPH and ONE, fate unknown)

I'd love to hear others' opinions. RudleyDudley (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

From my perspective, this article is really about the story event rather that the actual physical invasion. Therefore it should cover everything back to Kaldheim as part of the invasion. I guess there needs to be a comparison to the other major storyline articles — Weatherlight Saga and War of the Spark/Event. -- RivalRowan (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Story recap subheadings

For consistency, there should probably be an agreed-upon history subheading in the character and plane articles for events during the invasion. I personally have called it "The Phyrexian Invasion" - in-universe descriptive - while others have used "March of the Machine" - the out-of-universe story occurrence. This can also be extrapolated for the other subheadings, and as a whole whether character and plane histories need subheadings at all. 129.94.8.30 00:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

This was discussed on the Discord recently and the general consensus seemed to be that in-universe/flavor headings are preferred, set-based headings are usually just added for convenience until a better in-universe option can be decided. I'd continue on with using "The Phyrexian Invasion." RudleyDudley (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Compleated, fate unknown - follow up

Now that Outlaws of Thunder Junction spoilers have given us the last of the main post-compleation planeswalkers, does this section need to be split between those whose fate remains unknown and those who survived and were un-compleated? -- RivalRowan (talk) 08:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It definitely should. The question is, are those "compleated and healed" or not listed because they're no longer casualties? RudleyDudley (talk) 21:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I think they're still casualties. They were essentially prisoners of war for the period they were compleat. They also have the effects of their actions to deal with so there's ongoing stuff there. But I'm not fussed, if others think they should be removed that makes sense too. -- RivalRowan (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

And they were certainly wounded, which is counted in casualties. I'd agree. RudleyDudley (talk) 22:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

"Numbering fewer than twenty"

This claim is made in a number of places across the wiki most notably here: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/New_Phyrexia_(plane)#The_Mirran_Resistance that the Mirran survivors to have escaped to Zhalfir "number fewer than twenty", but I can't find any confirmation of this in the actual references provided It seems this is a misreading of the story referenced here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-7-divine-intervention where a group of Mirran resistance fighters were whittled down to fewer than twenty but that does not represent the collective Mirran population/people. Which an effort to describe as evacuated to Zhalfir happens in https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-9-the-old-sins-of-new-phyrexia

I'm not a regular contributor to this wiki So I figured I'd raise it here before removing the clause. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2.120.78.120 (talk • contribs).

I suppose it's possible if we found out there were other portals that more survivors could have evacuated, but the portal to Zhalfir was in the Seedcore, where only the twenty survivors were. I don't see a reading of the story that could imply that more than that group made it through. RudleyDudley (talk) 02:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)