Talk:Hans Eriksson
Hans' Death
Pretty sure he died with Saffi. Nothing in the source hints that he survived the attack. And the Revenant depicts him of the victim of a second attack after his reincarnation, which is visible in both art pieces but a bit clearer in the newer one where Hans is essentially the bunny which will be eaten. Similar to the joke in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy with the Flower Pot.
- Yandere-sliver (talk) 09:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- On the other hand: who did record Saffi's last words? --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good question. I don't know if they were recorded or just spoken into the wind, so that we the players could hear it. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 12:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- On the other hand: who did record Saffi's last words? --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
I am really not sure about this. The Monsters of Magic anthology, where their fate is described by the Will McDermott's short story, is impossible to get. I mailed the author himself to confirm or reject the assumption Hans died. Hi Hunter, by the way... CaranthirCZ (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Long time no see! Welcome back. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 09:22, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've that book, later I'll check. I'm pretty sure that the story and the card don't go well together though, because I seem to remember that Hans was too young to go hunting in the novel, while in the card he is surely a grown up man. --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 11:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, he is far bigger here. Still, if there is a real story published in the past, I'd take it for official lore. Nothing in this new small tidbit source hints he did NOT survive, either. ;) CaranthirCZ (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Are those anthologies still canonical or pre-revisionist? - Yandere-sliver (talk) 11:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- You are mixing two terms together. Canon/noncanon, revisionist/prerevisionist. But as this book came out in 2003 (just before Mirrodin) you can hardly consider them prerevisionist. That period ended in 96/97.CaranthirCZ (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- What is canon and what is not is always tricky with Magic, since it could change at an author's whim. The book came out in 2003, if this could help. --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 11:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well, 2003 is not a revisionist issue... That being said, WotC really redcons stuff quite often. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- 2003 is not a revisionist issue? What? Basically, everything that came out AFTER Mirage (1997) is revisionist. These anthologies should be counted as an official Magic revisionist lore. CaranthirCZ (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry I probably did not make myself clear. I meant that 2003 clearly falls into revisionist lore. and it is therefore not a question if this is revisionist or pre-revisionist. That being said. Revisionist lore can be retconed out of existence, see Test of Metal. So just because this is revisionist doesn't mean it can be taken at face value or somehow fits with other pieces of lore. I mean we just recently had Ikoria, where flavor text and book straight up contradicted each other. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- 2003 is not a revisionist issue? What? Basically, everything that came out AFTER Mirage (1997) is revisionist. These anthologies should be counted as an official Magic revisionist lore. CaranthirCZ (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well, 2003 is not a revisionist issue... That being said, WotC really redcons stuff quite often. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've that book, later I'll check. I'm pretty sure that the story and the card don't go well together though, because I seem to remember that Hans was too young to go hunting in the novel, while in the card he is surely a grown up man. --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 11:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Got a reply from Will McDermott himself, as I mentioned above:
- "Now, as to Hans. He is a young barbarian at the time of the story. Too young for hunting parties, so he and his sister, Saffi are guarding the gate to the village when the Lhurgoyf attacks. Saffi loses her life in the story, but Hans survives to rush into town and warn the warriors gathered at the mead hall. When the Lhurgoyf attacks the hall, it devours several warriors during the attack, but Hans survives, for he has run to the back of the hall. The Lhurgoyf was after someone else and when it no longer smells its quarry in the hall, it leaves to pick up the scent again. The story moves away from the barbarian village at that point and we no longer see Hans in the story."CaranthirCZ (talk) 19:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
.......So, with the word received from the very author himself, can we please correct the article now? By the way, your assumption about the Revenant "depicting him as the victim of a second attack after his reincarnation" is completely made up. The card just uses the same line as used at the card in its original printing in Stronghold, and the "Not again" line is a homage to the Revenant having the same ability as Lhurgoyf. Confirmed by Wizards themselves.CaranthirCZ (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Please go ahead. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)