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Cardtag formatting

I noted in the Wiki Slack channel that I find the cardtag formatting to be a bit too aggressive; the bold brown text stands out more than I like. If it were up to me, I'd simply remove the bolding; the actual color I don't have much of an opinion about. --Sene (talk) 13:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Considering that proper cardlinks/tooltips are actively being pursued, finally, how would we feel about letting them take on the styling of ordinary, underlined, blue links? That passes muster on the forums. Do we feel there's a need for differentiated styling here on the wiki? --Corveroth (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wiki identity and name change

I want to start a discussion about the possibility of renaming this wiki to simply the "MTG Wiki", rather than "MTG Salvation Wiki". I am not aware of any potential administrative roadblocks to doing so, and I welcome being informed of any that might exist. If there are none, I imagine that the decision ultimately lies with the wiki community, and I think that there are several potential benefits to going forward with a new name.

Currently, our name is a historical artifact. The wiki began as an offshoot of the MTGS forums, and when it existed solely as a component of that site, the naming made sense. However, even then, the purpose of the wiki was primarily to cover the game itself and related topics, not to document MTGS (although admittedly, there were a few articles regarding forum games and persons). Now, the wiki retains that name, but is also a part of the larger Gamepedia. That membership serves to highlight the oddity of the wiki being named, not for the game it documents, but for just one (Curse) community site. We are not exclusively a part of MTG Salvation, and we are the foremost MTG encyclopedia on the internet (our Wikia counterpart is hardly a blip on the radar).

In light of this evolving context, I think we'd be well served to change our name. Such a change would make our wiki more open and more credible. Rather than implying that our wiki is a project for only a fraction of the game's players, we would be rebranding ourselves simply as the preeminent (if unofficial) resource for information about the game. By severing the explicit link to MTGS, we would make ourselves more accessible by avoiding tribal concerns. The wiki could stand on its own, separated from anyone's views on the history, atmosphere, or moderation of the MTGS forums. Reputation aside, I think that the current name diminishes the wiki's standing, by portraying it as only a fraction of a whole, rather than an independent, fully-fledged resource.

Behind the scenes, of course, nothing would change. Both sites remain Curse sites, regardless of the future of this proposal. This is simply a matter of branding and perception, and in that domain, I think that an encyclopedia is best served by declaring itself apart from any faction. --Corveroth (talk) 02:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I have nothing against this change. I usually am to lazy and type MTGS anyway. Simply dropping the S doesn't seem like a big deal to me. - Yandere Sliver 11:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree fully. --Sene (talk) 12:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm kind of attached to the current name, since I was here when it was created. Also, it feels like a definite separation from the forums. And then there is http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_Wiki, which could cause some confusion. That said, I understand your reasoning and I'm not the one who decides. --Hunter (talk) 07:37, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
The conversation regarding this has moved at a breakneck pace since this was first posted. Sene joined the Gamepedia Slack and explained the shared history of both the Forums and Wiki, which persuaded the Gamepedia folks, MTGS assented, and the rest of the active admins are on board. I pinged your user page to join us on Slack, and this moved a lot faster than I'd anticipated. I hope you're not too terribly upset. --Corveroth (talk) 07:55, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

We've got the greenlight to move ahead with this. I think the ideal subdomain would be simply mtg. Does anyone have another preference? --Corveroth (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

No preferences from me, i just find deep Salvation in the current name ;P --Hanmac (talk) 22:27, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

With consensus among the admins and a broad preference for the name mtg, the deed is done! We also have redirects from magic and the old name, to ensure that we're no old links break. --Corveroth (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Interwiki links and common external sites

An admin from another Gamepedia wiki has suggested a change that we could make over here. Interwiki links, the technology that allows us to make links like Wikipedia:George Washington with only the page title, rather than a URL, can be used for non-wiki links as well. They can be made to work for any scenario in which there's a common URL "stem". In practice, that means we could use interwiki links for replacing Template:DailyRef with a syntax like [[wizards:feature/magic-story-podcast-james-wyatt-2017-02-15]] (or MTGS forum links, or Blogatog links, or whatever else is common and consistent).

I'm of mixed opinions on this idea. On the one hand, it's a bit simpler for editors. On the other, these links would become simple inline links, rather than references. I'm inclined to think that this breaks the implicit contract of wikilinks, both because wikilinks should lead to further encyclopedic content, and because an given inline link could now lead to an external website without warning.

Additionally, the subject came up in the context of performing maintenance on the broken DailyRef links. While interwiki links could minimize that effort if all that changes is that "stem", our existing TumblrRef and DailyRef accomplish exactly that. Neither solution effectively addresses problems like the one Wizards gave us. In a situation like the one we're in, the references approach has actually given us additional information to help resolve the bad links, whereas the URL fragments in an interwiki link provide less data.

Ultimately, I'm disinclined to utilize interwiki links for this purpose. However, I'm only one editor. If enough of our community is interested, it is something we have the power to implement. Discuss! --Corveroth (talk) 02:53, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I prefer that offsite links that aren't Wiki links should display as such (i.e. have the arrow icon thing). I also haven't been using the DailyRef template at all, essentially, partly because I have in many cases linked to the Internet Wayback Machine rather than directly to Magicthegathering.com in order to play around the next time they change their website and break all their links... --Sene (talk) 08:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
We are still in the process of updating around 600 articles, because DailyRef will not produce proper results most of the time. Wizard is so bad with their site structure, that I am highly doubtful that interwiki links might work there. Take a look at these links: en/MTGO article1 en article1 en/MTGO article2 en article2. This is just very different behavior. If interwiki links can easily work around these inconsistencies I think it would be a good idea to switch otherwise not really.
On Blogatog and other blogs, I would be more happy to switch. Simply because tumblr forces a proper structure onto its editors. I mean if Maro ever decides to delete his blog we are fiddling around with wayback machine in either case. - Yandere Sliver 11:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Log in

Help! My username is reverted to LegacymtgsalvationUser620. I'm actually User:Hunterofsalvation --Hunter (talk) 03:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, that's interesting. Did you merge a Twitch account? --Corveroth (talk) 03:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
It's probably something related to the Twitch/Gamepedia merge. I let them know on Slack and they're looking into it. If you wanna try merging in the mean time, that's on you. --Corveroth (talk) 04:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright, they just poked something behind the scenes. Try re-logging in. --Corveroth (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Great, it helped! --Hunter (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Good to hear. =) --Corveroth (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Same here (SeneMTG became SeneMTGSalvation). Trying to get it fixed! --Sene (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
But thanks to that merge, now we don't suffer anymore of the (1) (2) bot registration problem! Yay! --Tuamir (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Can't Login

Hi! I can't login using my gamepedia account. Clicking login in the titlebar take me to gamepedia.com's login page, even though I'm logged in there. Logging in there (with my Twitch account) redirects me back to mtg.gamepedia.com, which immediately redirects me back to gamedpedia.com. All other gamepedia wikis just log me in without redirection when I click login in their title bars ... it looks like it's just an mtg wiki problem. I've tried multiple browsers (and Chrome's incognito mode), all with the same issue. My gamepedia username is Yeurch. -- 80.192.107.22 08:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I recommend contacting Gamepedia customer support at [email protected]. They've been quick to help me in the past. --Sene (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeurch, this issue is going to need our devs to look into. I should have more information for you on Monday. Thank you for contacting our support as well! I'll be in touch. --Alianin (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
This has now been resolved. Thanks Alianin! --Yeurch (talk) 19:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Server issues

Since the server change, I've experienced severe connection issues. Is that the same for other people? --Hunter (talk) 09:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes. I get a lot of error 500 and 502. --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I have not experienced the same thing (yet). --Sene (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, the server change did affect some users harder than other. During the migration they were especially harsh, but even know people from time to time have these issues. - Yandere Sliver 05:31, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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