Talk:Token

Most common tokens

I wonder of all the tokens, which one is produced the most often? --GeoMike 08:02, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Necro reply... but it's the 1/1 green Saproling. Other common ones are the 1/1 white Soldier, the 1/1 white Spirit w/ flying, and the 2/2 black Zombie. 83.233.111.34 07:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Meganecro reply, but I appreciate the info others have updated about Saprolings vs Zombies vs Treasure. I was fiddling with some queries to possibly use as a reference for those trivia. Zombies are especially tricky since they have several related keywords, and a predefined token if you're into that kind of thing. If you put these three together does it seem accurate/comprehensive?

Most common form; includes Amass: fo:/create[^.]*\b(zombie|walker)\b[^.]*token/

Copy form; includes almost all Embalm/Eternalize: fo:/create[^.]*token[^.]*copy[^.]*except[^.]*zombie/

Edge cases; includes an Embalm without the usual templating, two questionable cases and a false positive:

fo:/(?<!non)token/ (fo:zombie OR fo:/(?!~)\bwalker\b/) -(fo:/create[^.]*\b(zombie|walker)\b[^.]*token/ OR fo:/create[^.]*token[^.]*copy[^.]*except[^.]*zombie/)

I'm not sure how the current #s in the article were found; the numbers from the search seem close but not exact match. IMO Alchemy Rebalanced cards are not "unique cards", but new Alchemy cards are. I'm also borderline on whether the two niche cards which make straight copies but only TARGET zombies are really making zombie tokens - probably not since the effect itself is just the same as any other copy.- jerodast (talk) 08:01, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I was the last to update the most common numbers. It came out of a project I was working on to add token creation stats to each of the creature types because they weren't used consistently across all of the different articles. Because of all the various issues with tracking token creation (keywords, predefined tokens, self-copying, etc.), tracking color through Scryfall, and the fact I was working on it over a long period of time, I defaulted to manually compiling all the cards into a spreadsheet. I'd uploaded a copy to Google Sheets and also popped it in the Wiki Discord. It hasn't been updated with the Alchemy: Phyrexia or March of the Machine releases, if you wanted to check my working.

(Column S in the spreadsheet is the Wiki token template list for that creature type at the time I was working on that section, so I could compare after each set release.)

On the Alchemy Rebalanced cards, I personally see them as separate because there's always the possibility that they add a token creation or remove a token creation ability from a card and treating that as the same as it's paper counterpart would cause problems for digital players. I understand the argument that they're basically the same as Universes Beyond vs Universes Within cards though. -- RivalRowan (talk) 12:01, 4 April 2023 (UTC)