User talk:LegacymtgsalvationUser9909/July-August, 2007

"Exam?"

You've been silent latelly! How was the examns? Victory or loss? Have you recovered on the results? (No matter what they were). Faceless Wanderer 10:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Read the below, then read my MagicMage mailbox: That's bad news! I hope at least that you will work on your inner peace. Care about yourself first! Everything else comes second!

I'm not abandoning this place, It has it's charms, but I will take other articles to mtgpedia.com, for example articles based on guides to scrubs! They are wellcomming such pages and basically I want to improve the qualities of scrub materials above all. I can't do it here, so I do it at the competitior. I find it ironical that one of my first "Aggressive letters" in here stated that you would face competitors and that those with more liberal approaches would win in the long run! To add further injury it turns out that it was made by someone from mtgsalvation. Faceless Wanderer 21:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Making a move!":

I have found a competing mtg wiki, which at least on their frontpage states that they want ALL magic info. I am currently in a dialogue with it's residents and if things go well I will be initiating my hive project there. This does not mean that I'm done with salwiki, it will just mean that My pages will become more "neat" in here, even though they will be less frequent. If there is a general consensus I will continue to add the brainstorms I have on Pagestructural research topics. I will also copy/paste any page from there to here that fits the style of this place, and pop in and out of here just to be nostalgic :P Faceless Wanderer 22:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Link title==="Standard Wellcome Message":=== I think we should compile a standard wellcomming message that can be dumped at the talk page of newcommers. To search for the necessary basics in this wiki is a hell for beginners (especially those without patience for such things, like me) So instead of having the first hundred conversations with the newcommer, we should store a package explaining the simplest basics (and also some standards regarding behavior, he he!) that can be copy pasted directly into the newcommers talk page whenever a usefull new contributor is discovered. This can be followed up with other "advanced user" packages. The important thing is that we care for the new people and supply them with things that they need. And from our perception of the reception a simple copy and paste action will be far more efficient than wasting time on 10 to twenty dialogs with the newcommer on what/when/where!!! (This was copy pasted from the page Pagestructural research)

Perhaps I should have mentioned this too! Make the wellcoming template as personal as possible. The person that get the letter must feel as special as possible when recieving the letter. I Hope that you make your "own" pages instead of copying most of the wikipedian ones. being linked to a wikipedia page doesnt feel very personal, and is sort of disturbing when you are a salwiki contributor. The more personal and in the spirit of this place you can make the wellcoming, the greater the psychologicall impact will be at making the new user feel at home. I like the general outlay but there should be a short descripting of what each link leads to. people like to have a choice at what they will take a look at, and if they have a description they will feel more in control of their choices. That feeling may actually make them feel secure enough to read the whole thing! Faceless Wanderer 21:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear MagicMage:

I can see that you have started some contributions in our wiki, which is a good thing, since we can allways need someone producing some nice pages :) However there are some small topics I need to tell you about.

(Remove irrelevant corrections before posting)

• You need to sign your comments when you "talk" with other people in here, it is done by holding down the buttons ctrl and alt while you press ~ four times. easy as that.

• Yadda yadda, blah blah...

(Personal notes inserted here)

This is a better example of what I was thinking of. compare it with the one I have sent to Geomike for a full conceptual understanding of how it may work.

please consider the above Faceless Wanderer 21:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to state that the lack of communication with people behind the wheels is critical! If this place fails to respond to your request of making GeoMike a sysop it is falling appart! That means we are in need of some structure regarding the key possitions. One suggestion I can think of is for the highest ranking people to give their e-mail to the lower ranked people (like sysops) so that these will be able to contact them in case of "Leadership abbandonment" This place will surely die if noone can give authority to anyone!!! The E-mail of those higher possitions should be kept secret to avoid spammail! Faceless Wanderer 01:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Jesper Ejsing (artist):

Thanks for the renaming of that page, also confirmation on his pictures regarding harry potter and wow are available at his gallery which IS available at the page should you want to verify those statements. I put the gallery there so that those interrested in the rumor regarding lorwyn may see what kind of art they can expect to arrieve in the future. Also the sole refference on that rumor is in DANISH!!! I am your only reliable source on that. If you cant trust me, then I must revise my view and reconsider if I trust anyone in here... Although I find the aspects of a "confirmation war" very interresting I doubt it will be very productive!!! (The artists own statement on working with wotc is here http://www.tegnebordet.dk/index.php?vis=profil.php&id=16432) The exact statement is: "Siden 1998 har jeg arbejdet for Fanatsy flight Games i USA hvor jeg har bidraget med tegninger til en masse af deres produkter bla. regelbøger, spilæsker og spilkort. Du kan kigge på deres hjememside: www.fantasyflightgames.com og se en masse af de færdige produkter jeg har bidraget til. Derudover er jeg med i Drakor och Demoner, og Privateer Press´s Warmachines Miniature Game. Som noget nyt og meget spændende skal jeg til at tegne Magickort for Wizards of the Coast." Faceless Wanderer 01:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:All articles with unsourced statements:

I am wondering, is the category going to work alongside the Confirmation page or will it replace it?

In any case I think that only the "dark" side of the wiki (Talk pages) should get this category as discussions may evolve if there isnt found any confirmation... Faceless Wanderer 22:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yesterday I stepped on GeoMike's toes by removing some data that was sourced in a circle, only to discover that it was alternately known right in front of me. Good citations would have prevented this. Uber mexico 19:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

simulations:

I have been told to adjust the simulation page a lot of times, but I have no idea on how to do it! Everyone telling me to do so have failed at explaining which sections should be rewritten, and I don't know if I should increase the details or attempt to simplify the areas (More important I'm not sure I'd know how to simplify it, I have spent time on this since June, 1986) Faceless Wanderer 22:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Other pages:

I am generally making a choice between playing magic or writing about it. I choose to play it. This means I really wont have the focus in here I used to have, which is a shame! (But I have to choose!)

I will add concepts to the Research Page, from which you dudes/dudettes may pick and choose at a whim what should be considered as future implementations at salwiki (This means I will pop in once or twice a week and watch things. however I will first go to 4 days of Roskilde festival

P. S. I think I have upset GeoMike unintentionally! perhaps you could erh! Nurse him a little for me and tell him there is nothing to be scared about :P Or maybe you can even see where the misunderstanding occured!!!

I think it was the reply (Below this) to one of your statements on his talkpage, he wrote back that he would never ever touch my pages again which is kind of quite the opposite of what I want :)

"junk", uninteresting to the majority:

Storyline material, rules and clans IS the majority of what this place has to offer. I have been pressing this subject before in a rather aggressive way, but I have recently been contemplating this approach and have decided add suggestions as to what can be done, focussing on solutions rather than propaganda!

Now storyline material is for those who read the books and like the overall universe! These people are actually rather few and some prefer to read about the game more than playing it. Those who play the game may have interrest in the storylines (I have) but in general their focus is on the game itself!

Rules are for the VERY serious magicplayers, but I have a feeling that they will tend to read the official rulings above all, and not rules in a wiki, mainly because a wiki will always be in danger of containing misinformation. Pro players does simply not want to take the chances with a wiki rules collection.

Clans are for the mtgsalvation users and IS a remnant of this wiki's origin. I have stated that I prefer ALL information on the many aspects of the game, but the are probably a lot of outside readers that gets scared away by the amount of clan-related material. To the eyes of an outsider this wiki looks like it is populated by a weird group of individuals creating wast imaginary stuff, and then justyfy it's existance by calling it clan-material. Again I have nothing against clans, but ""junk", uninteresting to the majority" is a matter of your general public image.

The Flashy stuff!!! You need to fill this place with information that interrests the general magic population, and fill it out so well that when you click the "random page" button you usually wont get one of the above types of pages.

The best inclussion currently have been an increase in decks and famous magic players/creators. Glamour is very important even to magic. If you can find the name and decklists of your favorite player and get some "intimite" knowledge about him/her you will probably return here to find out about others.

You need to think like a modern company, you need a marketing strategy.

The human mind has a very simple weakness in this area that can be exploited. We are all focus-based beings. What one person focusses on, others tend to focuss on as well. This means two things:

The people of this wiki must train themselves in avoiding this kind of focus, because it will lead to some sort of "insider world" only usefull to those who are brave enough to stay in here after seing the place for a while.

You must learn what the main public has it's focus on and change your inner focus by using your energy on the same focus, this will increase you popularity as you will not be considered as and oddball informationsources if you feature the publically demanded stuff.

About agression, you will need it. Any company knows that it takes workers to maintain production. If a company needs workers, it tries to get some. The current attempt to gain "workers" in here have been to state "Oh, we need to be more people!". HEADHUNT!!! Gather a small crew of people interrested in the survival of this place, let them come up with some strategies for headhunting new writers. For example the increase in translation means that some of those translaters that migth have a good (but bored and with much sparetime) friend may actually ask if they are interrested in helping out, just to increase their own skills with languages. Hijack students and make them into translaters. Be aggressive!!! And the page for it, should you choose to adopt the strategy! = Headhunt (project)

I've obviously stepped on your toes, whoever you are. I never said that Storylines or Clans are "Junk" or interesting at all. Please accept my apologies, and I'll never touch those pages again, I'm sorry. --GeoMike 02:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)