Template talk:Sets

Replace Sinker with Dragon's Den would you? Kraken Chowder 101 (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Done. Thanks. --Magic Mage (talk!) 00:58, 12 November 2012 (EST)

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Lock/Stock/Barrel (source) seems to be missing from this template. Can someone with the proper rights please add them? AlmaV (talk) 10:00, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

• Done. Thx for all your edits! --Hunter61 (talk) 10:08, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

New block

Could someone replace "Huey" with Khans of Tarkir? Thanks in advance. --Spike 00:33, 19 May 2014 (CET)

Done --Hunter61 (talk) 04:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

New Template Suggestion

Hi all. So, looking at this template, I have a few problems with it, and was wondering if a new template would help to address this. My issues are as follows:

1) The standalone sets are going to get bigger. As we move forward, with the Three-And-One block model, it's going to just keep inflating at the top and not the bottom.

2) Putting the standalone sets before the blocks implies that the standalone sets came first, followed by the blocks. While that was the case before (except for Homelands coming after Ice Age), it is no longer the case now.

3) Core sets are listed separately, leaving no way for the reader to tell when they were released relative to the expansions.

4) Portal/Starter are listed. These sets were never Standard-legal. They were products meant to introduce new players to the game. In that regard, they were a different type of product trying to attract a different type of audience. Were this done today, it would likely be a supplemental product, and listed on that template instead.

5) Chronicles isn't listed. On the flip side of the coin, Chronicles was Standard-legal at the time of its release. Yeah, it was all reprints, but it was still a Standard expansion. I mean, for all we know, maybe Ixalan is all reprints too, and has no new cards. Unlikely, sure, but it's possible. If that were to happen, would we strike it from this template? My gut says no.

Why can't we do something like this?

Not perfect, perhaps, as it is a bit harder to read, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we have now. I think it does need some fine-tuning, but this is a good starting point to work from, and it addresses all of my complaints with the current template. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 14:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea. I upgraded the thing a bit.to have more structure and also to include the special sets. I would like to hear some feedback.-Yandere Sliver 15:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, so, here's what's wrong with yours:

1) You list Revised as an expansion, rather than a core set. (I'm assuming that this was accidental.)

2) The Portal/Starter sets are still listed, implying that they were Standard-legal when they weren't. Heck, until 2005, they weren't even legal in Legacy or Vintage. They REALLY ought to be in the special sets section. I have yet to hear an argument to the contrary.

3) Chronicles is still listed as a special set, in addition to a Standard set. Pick one or the other. Personally, I recommend Standard, since it was Standard-legal at the time. Yeah, Renaissance will be lonely, but you can always add Salvat 2005 and Salvat 2011 and name that section "foreign language products".

4) Core sets are separated from the expansions on your template, making it hard to tell which order these all came out in. Was Magic 2013 legal with Theros? The answer is no. My version makes that clear. Yours does not. I could live with this, though. If we have to list core sets separately, this is the way to go. It is much easier to read, so I am willing to concede this point.

While I'm willing to concede point #4 (although I'd still rather do it my way), point #1 to point #3 are pretty big issues, imo. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 16:30, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Since I made that last comment, you fixed the first two issues and added in the Welcome Decks. Good call. I like this. I went ahead and edited mine to include Welcome Decks too, so you can see how that looks as well. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, #1 is just a stupid mistake. #2 I updated the nav. However I am a bit confused why the Starter cards were not standard legal, I mean what is the point of introduction products that you can't use to play the default format with. Do we have any sources on that that state one or the other? I mean I am not opposed to having them under special sets. They were clearly a special thing during the classic era. So either way it is fine.

#3 Chronicles did not change standard. It was a straight up reprint set, which did not increase the card pool. It contained 100% standard legal cards but that does not make it a typical standard expansion. However I added the Salvat sets they were not listed in the Nav but probably should be there with Chronicles and Renaissance.

#4 I would still keep the split since it is the 3+1 Model. The core set does not stand on equal ground with a normal Magic expansion.

Standard availability is such a thing due to the rotation you need to keep up anyway. Because you cant just say it is always the last 2 Core sets + 6 Expansions. Well, they could change that, but currently 3+1 are rotating at the same time so you need to keep track of which expansions belong to which core set anyway. So it is always hard to tell what is or isn't standard legal...

We could to however a Standard sets and Future sets subsection, but I think that makes the nav to cluncky again. But I think the easiest way to check standard legality is to look at the Standard article. - Yandere Sliver 18:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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Sig check: Yandere-sliver (talk) 07:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC) (reset - maybe tag those templates at the top of this heading?) Sandslash, thanks for bringing this up. I agree that the layout is already noisy and increasingly a problem. I see that your mockups each mix this template along with {{Special sets}}, along with a few variations on sorting for the sets themselves. How do we want to divide sets? Simple chronology? By product type? By format legality? One of you seems focused on format, while the other is interested in much more granular divisions. Any of those can work, but I am concerned with the current choice you've each made to highlight Frontier as a category. I question whether a low-headcount, unsupported format is sufficiently notable to warrant that treatment. --Corveroth (talk) 18:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)