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>RivalRowan (Created page with "==Color identity== The specialize cards are a bit of a headache with respect to color identity in multiple ways. In a vacuum they are essentially six-faced cards. In practice, WotC is treating them as double-faced cards except you can choose what the back face is. This makes sense given they are a replacement for the Background cards in ''Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur's Gate'' but the implementation is Based on the information...") |
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Based on the information I've read and seen when using Specialize cards, I've got three open questions: | Based on the information I've read and seen when using Specialize cards, I've got three open questions: | ||
#What '''is''' the color identity of a card with Specialize? In [[limited]], these cards can be specialized into any of the five faces, based on the color/land types of the cards you draft. In [[Brawl]], when used as a commander, you have to chose which specialize face you're using and that becomes its color identity. However, when building a Brawl deck with a three-, four- or five- color non-Specialize card as your commander, you can include a specialize card and be able to specialize it to any of the colors you have available, without the need to choose a specific face to play it as in deck construction. In a traditional appraisal of color identity (i.e. "what mana symbols are in the cost and rules text of the card?") these cards all have a color identity of {{mana|WUBRG}}. | #What '''is''' the color identity of a card with Specialize? In [[limited]], these cards can be specialized into any of the five faces, based on the color/land types of the cards you draft. In [[Brawl]], when used as a commander, you have to chose which specialize face you're using and that becomes its color identity. However, when building a Brawl deck with a three-, four- or five- color non-Specialize card as your commander, you can include a specialize card and be able to specialize it to any of the colors you have available, without the need to choose a specific face to play it as in deck construction. In a traditional appraisal of color identity (i.e. "what mana symbols are in the cost and rules text of the card?") these cards all have a color identity of {{mana|WUBRG}}. | ||
#In Historic Brawl, if you have a specialize card as your [[commander]], it possible to specialize it that commander into a color you ''didn't'' choose during deck construction using an off-color card conjured from the spellbook of {{card|Tome of the Infinite}} or {{card|Key to the Archive}}? This is really more of a technical, "how did they program this thing?" question. | #In Historic Brawl, if you have a specialize card as your [[commander]], it possible to specialize it that commander into a color you ''didn't'' choose during deck construction using an off-color card conjured from the spellbook of {{card|Tome of the Infinite}} or {{card|Key to the Archive}}? This is really more of a technical, "how did they program this thing?" question. | ||
#For the purposes of calculating the infobox statistics here on the wiki, should the specialize cards be included in their respective mono-color groups only, in the multi-color group, or in each of the five color groups (one mono-color and the 4 two-color pairs) they can specialize into? | #For the purposes of calculating the infobox statistics here on the wiki, should the specialize cards be included in their respective mono-color groups only, in the multi-color group, or in each of the five color groups (one mono-color and the 4 two-color pairs) they can specialize into? | ||
As examples: | As examples: | ||
* On the Specialize page itself, all cards are counted by their front-face color only (i.e. they're all counted as mono-color). | * On the Specialize page itself, all cards are counted by their front-face color only (i.e. they're all counted as mono-color). | ||
* <c>Lulu, Forgetful Hollyphant</c> creates a boon on it's front face. Should this be included in the {{W}} group for the [[Boon]] infobox or the {{M}} group? | * <c>Lulu, Forgetful Hollyphant</c> creates a boon on it's front face. Should this be included in the {{W}} group for the [[Boon]] infobox or the {{M}} group? | ||
* <c>Klement, Novice Acolyte</c> has a seek mechanic on it's {{card|Klement, Knowledge Acolyte | * <c>Klement, Novice Acolyte</c> has a seek mechanic on it's {{card|Klement, Knowledge Acolyte}} face. Should this be included in the {{W}} group, {{W}}{{U}} group, or the {{M}} group for the [[Seek]] infobox? | ||
* <c>Wilson, Bear Comrade</c> has a perpetual mechanic on each of it's specialized faces but not its front face. Should this be included in the {{G}} group, the {{M}} group, or in the {{G}}, {{G}}{{W}}, {{G}}{{U}}, {{B}}{{G}}, and {{R}}{{G}} groups for the [[Perpetually|Perpetual]] infobox? | * <c>Wilson, Bear Comrade</c> has a perpetual mechanic on each of it's specialized faces but not its front face. Should this be included in the {{G}} group, the {{M}} group, or in the {{G}}, {{G}}{{W}}, {{G}}{{U}}, {{B}}{{G}}, and {{R}}{{G}} groups for the [[Perpetually|Perpetual]] infobox? | ||
[[User:RivalRowan|RivalRowan]] ([[User talk:RivalRowan|talk]]) 12:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
: I, when I was updating the interwiki stats, did it by the color of the card (face) that it occurred on while spoilers were coming out. In order of your examples: The front face is the only side with Specialize, so they were counted as such; Lulu's boon was only counted as {{W}}; Klement was counted as {{W}}{{U}}; Wilson was put as all groups ({{G}}, {{G}}{{W}}, etc.) | |||
: This can be updated as we see fit, but it also has been the way I did DFCs when counting them in the interwiki stats. ~[[User:Neoheart|Neo]] ([[User talk:Neoheart|talk]]) 12:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Ahh, that's good to know about the interwiki stats. Will follow that process for anything in the future. [[User:RivalRowan|RivalRowan]] ([[User talk:RivalRowan|talk]]) 13:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 13:17, 18 July 2022
Color identity
The specialize cards are a bit of a headache with respect to color identity in multiple ways. In a vacuum they are essentially six-faced cards. In practice, WotC is treating them as double-faced cards except you can choose what the back face is. This makes sense given they are a replacement for the Background cards in Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur's Gate but the implementation is
Based on the information I've read and seen when using Specialize cards, I've got three open questions:
- What is the color identity of a card with Specialize? In limited, these cards can be specialized into any of the five faces, based on the color/land types of the cards you draft. In Brawl, when used as a commander, you have to chose which specialize face you're using and that becomes its color identity. However, when building a Brawl deck with a three-, four- or five- color non-Specialize card as your commander, you can include a specialize card and be able to specialize it to any of the colors you have available, without the need to choose a specific face to play it as in deck construction. In a traditional appraisal of color identity (i.e. "what mana symbols are in the cost and rules text of the card?") these cards all have a color identity of
. - In Historic Brawl, if you have a specialize card as your commander, it possible to specialize it that commander into a color you didn't choose during deck construction using an off-color card conjured from the spellbook of Tome of the Infinite or Key to the Archive? This is really more of a technical, "how did they program this thing?" question.
- For the purposes of calculating the infobox statistics here on the wiki, should the specialize cards be included in their respective mono-color groups only, in the multi-color group, or in each of the five color groups (one mono-color and the 4 two-color pairs) they can specialize into?
As examples:
- On the Specialize page itself, all cards are counted by their front-face color only (i.e. they're all counted as mono-color).
- Lulu, Forgetful Hollyphant creates a boon on it's front face. Should this be included in the group for the Boon infobox or the
group? - Klement, Novice Acolyte has a seek mechanic on it's Klement, Knowledge Acolyte face. Should this be included in the group, group, or the group for the Seek infobox?
- Wilson, Bear Comrade has a perpetual mechanic on each of it's specialized faces but not its front face. Should this be included in the group, the group, or in the , , , , and groups for the Perpetual infobox?
RivalRowan (talk) 12:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I, when I was updating the interwiki stats, did it by the color of the card (face) that it occurred on while spoilers were coming out. In order of your examples: The front face is the only side with Specialize, so they were counted as such; Lulu's boon was only counted as ; Klement was counted as ; Wilson was put as all groups (, , etc.)
- This can be updated as we see fit, but it also has been the way I did DFCs when counting them in the interwiki stats. ~Neo (talk) 12:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh, that's good to know about the interwiki stats. Will follow that process for anything in the future. RivalRowan (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)