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==Race and not-races==
In view of the recent explanations by [[Mark Rosewater]], we have to review the Race template, and the Race categorization. It appears that not every creature type is either a race of a class. Some creature types are neither. --[[User:Hunterofsalvation|Hunterofsalvation]] ([[User talk:Hunterofsalvation|talk]]) 17:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
:We only have a few creature types confirmed as races or classes. It is more colloquial than anything. - [[User:Yandere-sliver|Yandere-sliver]] ([[User talk:Yandere-sliver|talk]]) 19:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


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==Are Sporoloths "sapient"?==
In '''[[Magic]]''', '''Race''' is a subset of the [[characteristics|characteristic]] "[[Creature type]]". It designates the unique genetic makeup of a [[creature]] group.
Is there any confirmation that Sporoloths are sapient in the manner of Thallids?  Or are they more like non-sapient animated fungus organisms?--[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 21:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
:Good question. Not the slightest idea however. :/ - [[User:Yandere-sliver|Yandere-sliver]] ([[User talk:Yandere-sliver|talk]]) 21:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
::¯\_(:/)_/¯--[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 22:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


Besides race, most Magic cards with humanoid creatures also have another [[creature type]]: the [[class]] represents their career or calling in life. This is known as the [[race/class model]].
==Separate page for the Ainok?==


Note that the Magic approach is somewhat different from the scientific one. In biology, the basic unit of biological classification and taxonomic rank is ‘’species’’, which is defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. In biology, races are distinct genetically divergent populations ‘’within the same species’’ with relatively small morphological and genetic differences.  
So the Ainok have been affected by the relatively recent re-categorization of all cards of the creature type Hound into creature type Dog. However, similar to how the Moonfolk are inspired by rabbits but are not overtly rabbit-like, the Ainok seem inspired by dogs but are not overtly dog-like.  As a number of races maintain separate pages on the wiki, including Moonfolk, it seems reasonable to me that the Ainok also be given their own page; the interesting situation of their categorization (given that no Ainok cards have so far been printed with the "Dog" subtype though this may change in the future) can be included in the new page's trivia section as well.


==Humanoid races==
In addition, I would propose changing the short descriptions of Moonfolk and Ainok on this page to be "inspired by rabbits" and "inspired by dogs" respectively, rather than "part rabbit/dog" as the former appears to be more accurate in their specific cases. (There may be other races that fit the "inspired by" rather than "part" description, though I may have overlooked them at the moment.) --[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 01:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
* [[Ape]], [[Centaur]] (part Horse),  [[Cyclops]],  [[Dauthi]],  [[Dryad]],  [[Dwarf]],  [[Elf]],  [[Faerie]],  [[Giant]], [[Gnome]], [[Goblin]], [[Gorgon]],  [[Hag]], [[Human]], [[Kithkin]],  [[Kobold]],  [[Kor]],  [[Merfolk]] ([[Fish]]-folk), [[Metathran]],  [[Minotaur]] (part bull), [[Moonfolk]] (part Rabbit), [[Noggle]] (part ass), [[Ogre]] , [[Orc]],  [[Satyr]] (part goat), [[Siren]], [[Soltari]], [[Surrakar]] (reptillian), [[Thalakos]], [[Troll]], [[Vedalken]], [[Viashino]] (Lizard-folk), [[Werewolf]], [[Yeti]].


===Humanoid races without their own subtype===
Edit 1: It would also be good to know what the statistics of color representation for the Ainok are if we give them their own page. --[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 01:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
* [[Amphin]] (Salamander-folk), [[Aven]] (Bird-folk), [[Kitsune]] (Fox-folk), [[Leonin]] (Lion-folk),  [[Loxodon]] (Elephant-folk), [[Nantuko]] (Insect-folk), [[Nezumi]] (Rat-folk), [[Orochi]] (Snake-folk), [[Rhox]] (Rhino-folk), [[Wolfir]] (Wolf-folk)


==Humanoid races (in appearence only)==
Edit 2: Some other races could use their own pages as well, despite not having a unique creature type: Rakshasas and Kraul (both of which also have D&D entries). Luckily, Thallids already have their own page. --[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 02:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
* [[Angel]], [[Archon]][[Avatar]], [[Bringer]],  [[Djinn]],  [[Efreet]],  [[Reflection]], [[Shade]], [[Shapeshifter]],  [[Skeleton]],  [[Specter]], [[Spirit]], [[Thrull]],  [[Vampire]],  [[Wraith]],  [[Zombie]].


==Sentient non-humanoid races==
:All good ideas. Just make sure there is a logical connection to the pages that the shortcuts are now pointing to. --[[User:Hunterofsalvation|Hunterofsalvation]] ([[User talk:Hunterofsalvation|talk]]) 08:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
* [[Carrier]],  [[Cephalid]] (part [[Octopus]]), [[Beeble]], [[Demon]], [[Devil]], [[Dragon]], [[Drone]], [[Eldrazi]],  [[Elemental]],  [[Eye]], [[Gremlin]], [[Harpy]], [[Homarid]] (part [[Crab]]), [[Homunculus]], [[Horror]], [[Illusion]], [[Imp]], [[Incarnation]], [[Kirin]],  [[Nephilim]],  [[Nightmare]],  [[Nightstalker]],  [[Spawn]],  [[Sphinx]] (part [[Cat]]),  [[Spirit]],  [[Thrull]] (part [[Fungus]]), [[Treefolk]] (part [[Plant]]),  [[Zubera]].
::Thank you, and I appreciate the approval; it's good to get other opinions before I barrel ahead with a major change! Still, I'll see if I have the time to make the articles myself, as it may be a while. Editing pages is one thing: I am a good writer and I can more easily squeeze time in for editing existing articles anyway, but I am not experienced in page creation despite being a long-time proof-reader of articles for the wiki at this point. The part I am most uncertain about is how we are ascertaining the various statistics for the colors (as per my comment in Edit 1) relevant to any given page's category of cards that we then display on the page. I'm sure there is a preferred resource/website/method for retrieving this data. Scryfall?--[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] ([[User talk:Webspidrman|talk]]) 03:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
===Non-Humanoid races without their own subtype===
* [[Phyrexians]]
 
==Crossbreeds==
* [[Mutant]], [[Orgg]], [[Volver]], [[Weird]].
 
==Animals==
* [[Anteater]], [[Antelope]],  [[Ape]],  [[Aurochs]],  [[Badger]],  [[Bat]],  [[Bear]],  [[Bird]],  [[Boar]],  [[Camel]],  [[Caribou]],  [[Cats]],  [[Crab]],  [[Crocodile]],  [[Elephant]],  [[Elk]],  [[Ferret]],  [[Fish]] , [[Fox]],  [[Frog]],  [[Goat]],  [[Hippo]], [[Horse]], [[Hound]],  [[Hyena]], [[Insect]], [[Jellyfish]], [[Leech]], [[Lizard]],  [[Mongoose]],  [[Nautilus]],  [[Octopus]],  [[Ox]],  [[Oyster]],  [[Rabbit]], [[Rat]],  [[Rhino]],  [[Salamander]],  [[Scorpion]],  [[Sheep]],  [[Slug]],  [[Snake]], [[Spider]],  [[Sponge]],  [[Squid]],  [[Squirrel]],  [[Starfish]],  [[Turtle]],  [[Whale]],  [[Wolf]],  [[Wolverine]],  [[Wombat]],  [[Worm]].
 
==Animals (fantastical)==
* [[Atog]], [[Basilisk]], [[Beast]], [[Brushwagg]], [[Camarid]], [[Cockatrice]], [[Drake]], [[Gargoyle]], [[Griffin]],  [[Hellion]], [[Hippogriff]], [[Hydra]], [[Kavu]], [[Kraken]], [[Lammasu]], [[Leviathan]], [[Lhurgoyf]], [[Licid]], [[Manticore]], [[Mutant]], [[Ouphe]], [[Pegasus]], [[Phelddagrif]], [[Phoenix]], [[Serpent]], [[Slith]], [[Sliver]], [[Spikes|Spike]], [[Unicorn]], [[Wurm]].
 
==Plant life==
* [[Fungus]], [[Ooze]], [[Plant]], [[Saproling]], [[Treefolk]].
 
==Micro organisms==
* [[Germ]]
 
==[[Artifact creatures]]==
* [[Assembly-Worker]], [[Blinkmoth]], [[Chimera]],  [[Construct]], [[Dreadnought]], [[Gnome]], [[Golem]], [[Juggernaut]], [[Masticore]],  [[Myr]],  [[Pentavite]],  [[Pest]], [[Prism]],  [[Scarecrow]],  [[Tetravite]], [[Thopter]], [[Triskelavite]].
 
==Non-sentient creatures==
* [[Orb]][[Sand]], [[Wall]].

Latest revision as of 03:41, 21 February 2022

Race and not-races

In view of the recent explanations by Mark Rosewater, we have to review the Race template, and the Race categorization. It appears that not every creature type is either a race of a class. Some creature types are neither. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

We only have a few creature types confirmed as races or classes. It is more colloquial than anything. - Yandere-sliver (talk) 19:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Are Sporoloths "sapient"?

Is there any confirmation that Sporoloths are sapient in the manner of Thallids? Or are they more like non-sapient animated fungus organisms?--Webspidrman (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Good question. Not the slightest idea however. :/ - Yandere-sliver (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
¯\_(:/)_/¯--Webspidrman (talk) 22:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Separate page for the Ainok?

So the Ainok have been affected by the relatively recent re-categorization of all cards of the creature type Hound into creature type Dog. However, similar to how the Moonfolk are inspired by rabbits but are not overtly rabbit-like, the Ainok seem inspired by dogs but are not overtly dog-like. As a number of races maintain separate pages on the wiki, including Moonfolk, it seems reasonable to me that the Ainok also be given their own page; the interesting situation of their categorization (given that no Ainok cards have so far been printed with the "Dog" subtype though this may change in the future) can be included in the new page's trivia section as well.

In addition, I would propose changing the short descriptions of Moonfolk and Ainok on this page to be "inspired by rabbits" and "inspired by dogs" respectively, rather than "part rabbit/dog" as the former appears to be more accurate in their specific cases. (There may be other races that fit the "inspired by" rather than "part" description, though I may have overlooked them at the moment.) --Webspidrman (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit 1: It would also be good to know what the statistics of color representation for the Ainok are if we give them their own page. --Webspidrman (talk) 01:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit 2: Some other races could use their own pages as well, despite not having a unique creature type: Rakshasas and Kraul (both of which also have D&D entries). Luckily, Thallids already have their own page. --Webspidrman (talk) 02:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

All good ideas. Just make sure there is a logical connection to the pages that the shortcuts are now pointing to. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 08:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, and I appreciate the approval; it's good to get other opinions before I barrel ahead with a major change! Still, I'll see if I have the time to make the articles myself, as it may be a while. Editing pages is one thing: I am a good writer and I can more easily squeeze time in for editing existing articles anyway, but I am not experienced in page creation despite being a long-time proof-reader of articles for the wiki at this point. The part I am most uncertain about is how we are ascertaining the various statistics for the colors (as per my comment in Edit 1) relevant to any given page's category of cards that we then display on the page. I'm sure there is a preferred resource/website/method for retrieving this data. Scryfall?--Webspidrman (talk) 03:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)