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| For long names, make the short one as a redirect to the formal one, which is what I have done somewhat :-).
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| Make the text of the redirect aticle:
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| <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[the name]]</nowiki>
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| Thanks.[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|Voice of All(MTG)]] 16:37, 13 December 2005 (CST)
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| See, You say that like its obvious or I should know what you are talking about, heh. Besides, a few of the formal names aren't really proper themselves. How does the redirect thing work? [[User:VestDan|VestDan]] 16:40, 13 December 2005 (CST)
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| :When I said "always", I ment as a rule of thumb, that is how it is done at Wikipedia and Britanicia ect...I should have worded that better, but I was rushing to get the stubs out of the way, plus I have had a 5 hour headache that is getting worse by the minute.
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| :Anyway, are you a sysop yet? I know I haven't been promoted yet. If you are, you will see a "Delete" tab and a "Protect" tab. We might have to wait, as only admins can delete articles.[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|Voice of All(MTG)]] 17:08, 13 December 2005 (CST)
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| So many stubs... make mine eyes bleed... Finished with Weatherlight saga characters, started with Mirari saga and decided to call it a night. [[User:VestDan|VestDan]] 01:51, 14 December 2005 (CST)
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| == Categories ==
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| I noticed that you fixed to incorrect categories. I am cut and pasting these in, and sometimes I leave in a wrong category. Please correct them on site, you need not explain yourself.
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| I wonder when that Logo will be fixed...:-(.'''[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font><font color="black">All]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Voice_of_All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]]</sup> 15:22, 14 December 2005 (CST)
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| :I am saying that you ''don't have'' to explain, not that you do. That is because it is tedious, as you said.'''[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font><font color="black">All]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Voice_of_All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]]</sup> 15:42, 14 December 2005 (CST)
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| == Template==
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| Try writing <nowiki>{{c|CARD'S NAME}}</nowiki> for a few cards you know, and then clicking it, like {{c|Lightning Angel}}. I think I like the purple, as opposed to regular blue links. Press cntrol-f5 first, to refresh the mediawiki JS in your browser. Make sure you are not blocking popups.'''[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font><font color="black">All]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Voice_of_All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]]</sup> 16:43, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
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| Oh, i think i get it now... {{c|Mishra's Factory}}[[User:VestDan|VestDan]] 17:58, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
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| *In response to your question to The Squirle Master, a ret-con is when something considered fact in a work of fiction has been retroactively changed by a later addition to the series. For example, if Batman were to be killed, and there was a big funeral for him, then six months down the line he returns, the events of the night he 'died' will have been ret-conned to show how he didn't really die. [[User:RMS Oceanic|RMS Oceanic]] 11:31, 7 May 2006 (CDT) | |
| ::Something that anyone with a passing familiarity with Star Wars fiction knows all too well. Virtually everything ever written about Boba Fett got blasted to crap when Episode II came up, so they had to go back and explain how they weren't completely wrong about everything. :) --[[User:Binary|Binary]] 13:09, 31 May 2006 (CDT)
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| I already told him that in a PM ages ago, but thanks nonetheless ;)
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| [[User:The Squirle master|The Squirle master]]
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| == [[MTG_Salvation_Wiki:Articles_For_Deletion|Articles for Deletion]] ==
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| hi, same entries have been there for some time, it should be safe to delete them. --[[User:Oracle of Truth|Oracle of Truth]] 05:29, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
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| I wasn't aware that was actually my job... I'll get on it this evening
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| == Guilds ==
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| I'll be happy to further detail the rest of the Guild pages. It'll take me some time to do it though. [[User:Randel|Randel]] 17:45, 22 May 2006 (CDT)
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| Thought you ought to know that I've gotten kind of side tracked. I'd be happy to conintue the responsibility of detailing the various guild pages, but it will be quite some time before I can get to it or even come back to contributing here at all. Sorry, [[User:Randel|Randel]] 17:04, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ==Oh-so many individual MtG character stubs==
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| Why not just make one wiki for all the minor characters, until they are prominent enough? Just a suggestion.
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| Also, can we get groups/teams up on MTGSWiki, please?--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 06:10, 23 November 2006 (CST)
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| :Thanks for your reply regarding this matter, VestDan. Apropos the MtG character wikis I shall say that it's all too justified and practical to leave it as it is. As for the teams, I also see the "flaws", shall we say, of this system. Anyhow, thanks.--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 03:07, 24 November 2006 (CST)
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| ==Please do this, VestDan.==
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| Please delete the Loran16 page, and move it to Loran16's userpage. Reason: Significant, etc. Thanks, VestDan.--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 06:19, 30 November 2006 (CST)
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| :You might also consider the [[Diggy]] page, which has identical content as the [[User:Diggy]] page. Ta.--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 06:37, 30 November 2006 (CST)
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| ::Because you can do it, please delete the [[Ironmaiden]] article, which has absolutely no bearing with MTGS. Thanks, VestDan.
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| ::Sorry to be a pain in the rear, but hey I can't do this, now can I? :) --[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 06:41, 30 November 2006 (CST)
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| :::Me again, yes, that's right. Anyway, this time please delete [[NecroBlade]]'s ''selfless'' wiki entry that will be of utmost succour to progeny. Ta. The info is also doubled on his userpage.--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 07:08, 30 November 2006 (CST)
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| ::::Hi!:) Well, firstly, thanks for fixing up those pages, and secondly, sorry for categorising the disambiguation page(s) ([[:Loren]]).--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 09:30, 2 December 2006 (CST)
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| ==Thank you for clearing that clutter, VestDan.==
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| Thanks.--[[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 00:14, 6 January 2007 (CST)
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| I can see that you have gained trouble with vandalists. I believe that it is a response to what is going on here with me. I refrain from vandalism, because I love to argue. Any sabotage of existing pages or deranged insults will not be comming from me. I believe I can help you out on what to do against the vandal/vandals (it might be one person alone)
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| Hey vandalist, I'll figth my own battles thank you. avoid sabotage, use argumentation. It rules... Wikeddarkman using [[User:Birdmaiden|Birdmaiden]] 21:48, 30 January 2007 (CST)
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| ==Re: Message on Wickeddarkman's Userpage==
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| But one other thing... Wikipedia is purging all its Magic articles? Zoiks. How do you know this, and maybe we can copy/paste the stuff here?[[User:VestDan|VestDan]] 22:56, 25 January 2007 (CST)
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| Heh! I see that I have created a minor problem. I will fix my pages so that I both have a "voice" male system (pun intended) And a page about me. I will work on it with pleasure. I'm not sure that "ALL" pages on magic were deleted, just those that were too fanlike, ironically the entirety of your wiki would be considered fancruft ;P [[User:Wickeddarkman|Wickeddarkman]] 05:18, 26 January 2007 (CST)
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| Wikipedia is purging all Magic articles; the MtGS one was cruft, and so was the MtGNews one - they have already been purged, and only sysops can access them now, someone like Staxringold, who is [[User:Stax|Stax]].
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| [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Staxringold This is James' Wikiuserpage], if you need further confirmation.:) [[User:Magic Mage|Magic Mage]] 00:55, 26 January 2007 (CST)
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| :Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Magic:_The_Gathering
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| Okay VestDan, my third reply is ready. I am feeling a bit argumentative these days, mostly because the opposition doesnt seem to have warmed up yet. It's located in my usertalk page...
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| I find this whole episode pretty funny, you probably deleted my "illegal pages" to ease your job as a moderator, and then you end up posting everything I stand for (hee, hee, hee) and have more work to do than usual. I think you should pursuade them into voting for a free wiki. Your job will be so much easier afterwards ;P
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| Besides, I can see now that I may just have been the drop that made the cup overflow. (Dark confidant page, remember ;))
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| [[User:Wickeddarkman|Wickeddarkman]] 04:50, 29 January 2007 (CST)
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| Wickeddarkman here [[User:Faceless Wanderer|Faceless Wanderer]] 10:37, 8 February 2007 (CST)
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| == Purpose of the Wiki ==
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| I'm not stepping into this debate any more than I have too. I've discussed with WickedDarkman the things I feel he needs to improve. Now, I feel I must defend what I believe he is doing right and defend what I feel has a place in the wiki.
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| First, WickedDarkman is contributing and quite prolifically. Specifically, he is contributing to the highly under-developed theoretical and strategic side of the wiki. Second, he is contributing in ways that no one else is, for example, his work in [[Simulations]] is very useful even if his writing in that same article leaves much to be desired stylistically. His additions to [[Mana curve]] fall in a similar vein. I, for one, also need to read related articles and see that people are in fact interested in what I write to maintain my own interest, it is no coincidence that I started posting again after someone significantly added to [[Mana curve]]. I feel the most appropriate response to his stylistic problems is to mark the top of the offending articles as "in need of revision." I will not defend his trolling.
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| Let me now diverge briefly. A wiki is not about content or style. These are both important and useful but they are not central. The reason for a wiki is structure. This is something that can't be built in forum posts and is far more constraining when applied to published articles. A subject centered wiki lets thoughts become organized into a knowledge or discipline. This structure can chain or tree a complex topic down in to related articles that explain minutia and then sweep back together for synthesis. Or this structure can allow interrelated topics to weave back and forth each adding relevance that the other doesn't possess on its own. Other more rarefied structures exist, webbing or rings, for example are more typical of the Internet itself than to the interior of a wiki.
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| Finally, I'd like to make my support clear for articles that deal with Magic theory, [[Dark Confidant|card evaluations]], and even the as yet completely undeveloped practical and experimental Magic.
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| --[[User:Fishysua|Fishysua]] 13:19, 29 January 2007 (CST)
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